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Yesterday I harassed a Hanoverian again. I am sure Ellie is wondering why I keep showing up and ruining her day.

As determined after our Pirouette of Doom two weeks ago I am working her on the ground until I feel confident that she will be a sensible creature when I get back on her. This means that she needs to lunge like a sensible creature.

Yesterday she got the whole deal. Surcingle, lungeing cavesson, breastcollar (the driving one), and crupper with attached kicking straps/trace carrier. I put the crupper on after we got into the arena as I had no idea if she had one on before (Kristin confirmed she had not) and having her goose in the crossties or as I led her didn't seem like a good idea. That said she was great to put it on and only seemed bothered by the kicking straps slapping her sides briefly as she was being goofy.

I don't know how you all do it on a regular basis, but I managed a couple photos. Our first few rounds consisted of her making dragon noises as she tore around on the end of the line.



I kept changing directions until she started thinking about being a sensible creature. Her turns have gotten quite good and this time she was pretty even on both sides (last time she was sticky turning in right). When she settled a bit I asked for a brief trot and I had a fire-breathing dragon again, though she turned back into a horse much quicker this time.



I don't know what it is about Ellie. I really do want to like her and her owner loves her and thinks she's a great young horse. I find her to be okay, but feel like there's some gaps that need addressing. She is a little twitchy at times and doesn't feel as broke on the ground as I would like a horse to be before getting on board, which is why I'm back to lungeing her. She's certainly not where I'd want a five year-old to be with a year under saddle. I at least fixed her no brakes issue the second ride, which Kristin was grateful for and now I'm working on getting her to where I feel 100% comfortable swinging back on because I admit I wasn't fully comfortable the three rides I've put on her due to how she handled. Thankfully Kristin is cool with me taking Ellie back to ground school. She understands my reasons for going back to the ground and appreciates Ellie advancing her training in any manner.

She is kindof cute.



As mentioned before I got my new lines in and have been playing with them. I'm using the 5/16" navy line to work Ellie here. I'll do a more thorough review later, but my preliminary impression is I like the thinner lines for long lining and the thicker lines for lungeing. I am also enjoying the feel of the buckles instead of snaps. The snaps are quicker and more convenient, but the buckles fit through everything and don't add a big clunk of weight at the end like the snaps do. I'm glad I was able to sell my other two sets to mitigate the cost of the new ones and happy to have more tools to use.

Of course, working with other people's horses gives me gratitude for my own crew. Especially comparing Tru-D to other young horses.

Speaking of other young horses Keara was out and put a ride on Cinnamon. Despite an opinionated moment while lungeing they went on to have a good ride. The Stink was a little sticky going forward to start, but there was no attitude unlike the first few rides in November. I think once Keara puts another ride or two on her I can start pulling Cinnamon out to ride myself during lessons and perhaps this will be the year I finally get her past greenbroke (with Keara's help).

Date: 2017-04-29 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poniesandphotos.livejournal.com
We have a 6 year old Hannoverian at our barn, who occasionally forgets to horse but knows how to dragon. I know a 21 year old Hano that forgets how to horse still. I think it is a breed trait. I'm hoping Addy got the shire half of the brain...

Do you know what line she is out of? Some of the Hano lines are very immature at 5. Not that it is an excuse.

Tru-D does seem like a special creature, and you've obviously done a wonderful job with her. I could see how working with other youngsters would be a let down after that sort of high point.

Date: 2017-04-29 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lantairvlea.livejournal.com
This is her sire: Salto (http://www.desertspringranch.com/salto.htm)

And this is her dam: Whisper in the Dark (http://www.desertspringranch.com/sale/whisper.htm)

I'd be curious to hear about her bloodlines from someone who knows a bit more than I do (which I recognize the name Furioso and that's it!). The dragon part is both funny and annoying. I kindof get why people sometimes call them "Dumbloods" now.

Thank you! She was a skittish little thing when we brought her home, but really wants to please and figure out what you're asking. I really look forward to seeing where we go. I have definitely learned that my definition of "broke" is a lot different than most people's!

Date: 2017-04-29 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poniesandphotos.livejournal.com
I'm not an expert, but I have spent some time looking at different lines, here are the generalizations.

On the sire's side You've got G and S lines. S lines are rather uncommon, they're responsible for Sandro Hit. but not a lot else at the moment. They tend to be a bit of a harder, feisty horse. Sandro Hit (not in the pedigree) is known for throwing wonderful movement for dressage and poor temperament. NOT ammy friendly. They tend to be mature earlier than some of the other lines- great dressage horses.

The G lines are what Addy is out of. I'm rather partial to them, but they are late developers and can be fugly babies. They are known for having an unrefined head. (which Addy is guilty of, but I just blame the shire...) They are a show jumping line that does decently in dressage. In fact Addy and Ellie share an ancestor by the name of Gotthard. Not really surprising, he was one of the most prolific of the G line stallions. They tend to be tidy jumpers, and have big movement. They are sometimes considered 'less rideable' because they have bigger gaits that are harder to sit, but tend to have sweet temperaments.

The dam is an Oldenburg by virtue of being half TB and half Belgium Warmblood. I'm not as familiar with the belgian WB lines. and warmblood registries are...twisty. Is Ellie branded Hano? She probably could be, if the mare is approved in the Hano mare book, but her page doesn't say.

Date: 2017-04-30 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lantairvlea.livejournal.com
You know more than I do! She is sweet, but doesn't quite feel like she is firing on all cylinders mentally. Maybe it is a lack of maturity or holes in her training. Hard to tell.

I haven't noticed a brand, but I'm not sure how all that works. I assume she's registered, but I don't think she's in the mare book (assuming the Hanoverian stud keeps mare and studbooks separate).

Date: 2017-04-30 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poniesandphotos.livejournal.com
Most of the full hanoverians I know are odd creatures. They tend to be quick to learn things, for better or worse. But they also tend to be opinionated and rather sensitive. I haven't known a ton of very young ones, they tend to level out and be good citizens by time they are 6 or 7. And then they are generally great partners. The ones I've known do tend to be 'one person' horses that prefer a single rider/handler. I think they need a bit more consistency than other warmbloods I've known. Most of the holsteiners I've met, for example, don't seem to have much preference on rider at all.

For me I say that Addy has "hanoverian" moments or "hanoverian" days where she forgets how to act like a well behaved two year old and determines that something she has seen a million times is scary. Thankfully "shire brain" kicks back in pretty quickly most of the time.

If she was bred in the US, and went to an inspection, passed, she would have a brand on her left hip. It would kind of look like an H with horse heads facing outwards on it. And probably the last two years of her birth under it. If she is imported the brand would be a bit different. Branding is optional, so even if she did pass inspection she might not have one anyway.

Date: 2017-05-01 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lantairvlea.livejournal.com
Good to hear it might not be me! She comes when I go get her, but I don't feel like we've "clicked." I'm hoping I can say something different in another few weeks and she can lunge like a sensible creature and I can get back to riding her!

She doesn't have a brand and I haven't asked (yet) if she was ever inspected.

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