Gun Rant

Jun. 11th, 2022 05:14 am
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If you don't like hearing about views on guns and gun violence scroll past and don't click the cut.

I admit it felt more two weeks ago when the thoughts first started rolling around, but here it is.
Gun Rant )

It all makes me angry, sad, still shocked, even after all these years and events. I don't know why the USA is so stupid about this. It's like the abortion "debate." The legislators are too worried about their pockets and reelection that we get crap legislation that helps no one.

Gun Rant

Jun. 11th, 2022 05:14 am
lantairvlea: (Grr say Raquinn)
If you don't like hearing about views on guns and gun violence scroll past and don't click the cut.

I admit it felt more two weeks ago when the thoughts first started rolling around, but here it is.
Gun Rant )

It all makes me angry, sad, still shocked, even after all these years and events. I don't know why the USA is so stupid about this. It's like the abortion "debate." The legislators are too worried about their pockets and reelection that we get crap legislation that helps no one.
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The insufferable anti-mask moron struck again. I was leading Sherman over to the property yesterday while I was pulling the false shafts (he did awesome, by the way), and the guy stopped at the stop sign, rolled down the window, and flipped me off.

"What the heck, man?"

"Your f'n mask!"

"Air quality!" I hollered back as he drove away.

I was so pissed off. Had I not had my hands full I would have tried to get his lisence plate number and there was a strong urge to call out his pansy, coward self in his little, crappy dark grey sedan.

Moron. Some skinny, white, insecure knucklehead who is so offended by my existence he has to lash out from the safety of his little four-banger. Really, I'm more offended by the fact he would do it to ANYONE. I'm not angry that he yelled and cursed at me, I'm pissed off that his entitled, self-righteous pig-headed self would curse at someone just because they're wearing a mask for whatever reason they deem necessary.

These are the people calling others dumb sheep for wearing a mask and yet they're the ones lashing out in irrational stupidity.

This is not the rant I intended. That one is still brewing.
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The insufferable anti-mask moron struck again. I was leading Sherman over to the property yesterday while I was pulling the false shafts (he did awesome, by the way), and the guy stopped at the stop sign, rolled down the window, and flipped me off.

"What the heck, man?"

"Your f'n mask!"

"Air quality!" I hollered back as he drove away.

I was so pissed off. Had I not had my hands full I would have tried to get his lisence plate number and there was a strong urge to call out his pansy, coward self in his little, crappy dark grey sedan.

Moron. Some skinny, white, insecure knucklehead who is so offended by my existence he has to lash out from the safety of his little four-banger. Really, I'm more offended by the fact he would do it to ANYONE. I'm not angry that he yelled and cursed at me, I'm pissed off that his entitled, self-righteous pig-headed self would curse at someone just because they're wearing a mask for whatever reason they deem necessary.

These are the people calling others dumb sheep for wearing a mask and yet they're the ones lashing out in irrational stupidity.

This is not the rant I intended. That one is still brewing.
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I haunt some groups on Facebook, especially the bitless and driving groups.

The bitless driving group had someone post asking about blinkers and their use.

For the interested this is what I wrote:

"Reasons for blinders:
Reduce distraction in the horse's peripheral vision. If something is moving in and out of the edges of your vision you find it distracting, doubly so with the horse who is designed to react to movement with "run now questions later." Overly simplified I know.

"Prevent anticipation of the whip aids. Some horses will try to anticipate movements of the whip, moreso if you are diving multiples and have one that is eager and another who is less inspired.

"Protection, horses have very large eyes. Way back when you had crowded streets with many horse drawn vehicles it prevented someone else's whip end or road debris from getting in your horse's eyes. If you ever get into driving multiples like Tandem, Randem Unicorn, Four, and more the blinkers prevent the lines if your leaders from rubbing the eyes of your wheelers and swing horses.

"Those are the reasons for blinkers in a nutshell."

Another person commented whom I've seen in other bitless groups and I generally scroll past, but she specifically called out not using blinkers with multiple hitches.

My initial response in my head was "O REEEEEEALLY!"

I restrained myself and hopefully didn't sound too skeptical in my response, which follows:



Now I will tell you why it would be difficult to rig up the lines so that they do not go past the wheeler's eyes, especially in a Tandem hitch:

Tandem is when you have one horse in front of another. The two horses work in line with each other, the wheeler is closest to the vehicle between the shafts and the leader is out front kept in position by the traces and lines.

Traditionally the leader's lines run through roger rings that are attached to the browband of the wheeler. The rings sit just below the wheeler horse's ears and you can imagine that running from the leader to the driver's hands the lines could rub the wheeler's eyes. From there the lines will go through a special set of terrets that keep the wheele and leader's lines separate. Where else might the lines run? Well the wheeler's lines go through the rings on the neck straps and the saddle terrets on the horse's back, the leader's go above the wheeler's. I guess you could technically run the leader's lines through the wheeler's neck strap, but guess what could happen with your leader's lines that low? If you have a busy-mouthed wheeler s/he might just chew on them. During a turn the lines might be pushed by the wheeler's nose. If the wheeler tosses its head and gets its neck over one of the leader's lines you could be in real trouble.

Driving a Tandem is screwy enough without having your wheeler's head and neck interfering with the leader's lines!

Now you MIGHT get away with running your lines low on a unicorn or four-in-hand/four-up since you would have the lines to the inside of your two wheelers, but you could still have issues with your wheelers messing with them or getting hung up on a number of things.

I'm sure the commenter meant for me to be impressed driving a single horse in a halter, but to me it just makes the person look ignorant. Don't tell people you can do something when all you have done is heard someone say it could be possible and not thought about the mechanics and contingencies!

I actually see this a lot in the bitless groups, they want so much to buck the tradition they fail to see that a lot of the tradition is about safety as well as function.

Anyway, someone was wrong on the internet and I had to say something.
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Since when were Gypsy Vanners considered a Baroque breed? Is this the Gypsy people being all "our horses are so special because they have feather, hair, and color?"

It's like how they've convinced the Pinto horse registry to accept Vanners and Drums while COMPLETELY IGNORING all other pinto horses of draft type.

If a Gypsy is the same as a Friesian, Andalusian, Lipizaner, or Lusitano then my Fjord is baroque and my Haflinger is and hey, half the people assume Charm-N is a Friesian, so my husband's chunky, grade Percheron mare is Baroque too!

I'd rant more, but I have a lesson to teach.
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What is 1 unpopular horsey opinion you have?

It is probably the unpopular horsey opinion. I am pro-slaughter.

The reasons are several and certainly I am for REGULATED slaughter that is humane from auction block to feed lot to plant.

The reasons?

There are horses so broken mentally or physically that a humane death is their best option for everyone involved.

Putting an animal down via euthanasia is not always a peaceful, quiet affair. There are people who will tell you that euthanasia is the kindest, gentlest way to go, but I am not sure on that. A captive bolt or a bullet in the right spot is instantaneous. The animal is dead before it even feels or realizes what is happening. Not so much when you have to get a needle in there, in the case of a horse help it lay down so it doesn't hurt itself, and wait minutea, and even hours for the drugs to take effect. Yes there are misfires, but the drugs aren't perfect either. This is also where the regulation part kicks in.

I'd rather see a horse humanely slaughtered than starve in someone's backyard or out in the desert because some idiot decided to "set it free" (still wearing shoes, possibly a halter!).

ANYTHING we do here in the US will be 1000x better than what is happening now with horses going to Mexico.

Euthenasia poisons the meat that could be used for other purposes (feeding large carnivours in zoos fornexample).

Horses are too big to bury. They are 5-10x larger than humans and I just see it as a selfish waste to bury one and if the animal was euthanized it has to be disposed of properly so it doesn't kill anything that might try to eat it (cremation is also very expensive).

We still have more horses than are wanted. You can say slaughter is bad until your blue in the face, but unless you are willing to step up to the plate and DO something you are not helping. Especially if you had a hand in shutting down slaughter operations and made the "unwanted horse problem" go from bad to a complete catastrophe in this country.
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That was the approximate reaction I had to an article in the AQHA publication "AMERICA'S HQRSE."

Some of you might already know that I do not hold the AQHA in particularly high regard. I respect their insane ability to promote the breed, but I do not agree with the fact that their studbook is not closed and they will register a horse that is, by all accounts 3/4 Thoroughbred (or more!) as a full-blooded Quarter Horse.

The article was about Dressage (one of the three Equestrian disciplines that is in the Olympics) and the author mentioned AQHA recently joining with the USDF (Unites States Dressage Federation) in allowing QHs that compete in USDF events to earn AQHA points. Pretty cool, right? Yet another place for the QH to compete and, hopefully, do well.

Now the kicker was at the end of the article, resulting in the gut-tying wail of despair and frustration as the author said in cheery, hopeful tones something along the lines of "Maybe the AQHA will consider registering Warmblood crosses!"

ARRRGGGGGGGLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!!!!

This isn't to say that a QH and a Warmblood would not make a good cross, it's saying that people have to RESPECT what it is that a breed is rather than trying to make it something it is not! Part of this respect includes working within existing bloodlines, especially when you have over one million registered horses and your registry isn't even 60 years old! There's probably close to 500,000 living QH individuals out there, no lie. Do you think that it is impossible to find a good match for what you are looking for within the breed with that much choice?

This is part of what drives me nuts about the Appendix Quarter Horses. Appendix horses are part Thoroughbred, usually half. Appendix horses are registered in the "appendix" of the registry, however if said horse earns enough points in the show pen or money on the track they can earn their "white papers" (or were they yellow?) and essentially be magically made a full-blooded QH by the registry. If these horses are bred back to TBs, their babies go into the Appendix registry and, again, can earn full-blooded status if they win/earn enough.

This produces, tall, leggy, lean, long-faced, small-hipped horses that do not look like Quarter Horses. What do they look like? Thoroughbreds. Why? Because that is, essentially, what they are!

Quarter horses are short, stocky, have a relatively short head, heavy jaw, and massive hip. Sunny, who to my knowledge is 100% foundation bred, fits all of these except for the short part, but there's always some variance, but 15.3 hh is a lot closer than the 16 hh or so that are often produced with Appendix horses compared to the 15hh average of the breed.

Part of me says that if someone really loves their breed so much why the heck are you trying so hard to change it?! If you like horses that are tall, leggy, and fast over long distances get a Thoroughbred! If you want something short, stocky and cowy, have a QH. If you want something tall, lean, and flashy to ride saddleseat please get yourself a Saddlebred, that's what they were bred for. Don't breed a Morgan to Saddlebreds to "improve" the wonderful compact little horse that was supposed to be able to plow the field as well as look good under saddle or pulling the family carriage. If you love stocky draft horses FOR THE LOVE OF ALL FEATHERED EQUINES don't breed them so that their legs are 3/4 of their height!

This isn't to say that I'm totally against any and all crosses. Heck, we bred Panda to a Friesian and she is a Pinto Draft. Granted I do admit that Pinto/Spotted drafts are more of a color than a breed anyway, but that's beside the point! The point is I'm not trying to produce a pinto Friesian because I love Friesians so much, but just wish they had white! No, I'm hoping to produce a nice horse that has the good qualities of both parents irregardless of breed, but keeping towards a stocky draft build (and Hedzer is a more stocky Friesian of the classic Baroque type).

Take, I believe, the Oldenburg registry for an example. They've allowed some crosses, but the horses they allow into the studbook have to be approved first. They go through both conformation and movement evaluations to ensure that they are enhancing and improving the qualities that the Oldenburg already has, not trying to turn the breed into something else, or adding a feature that wasn't there before because you love the breed so much you can't bear to part with it as you venture into a discipline it can't do. Because of this practice Oldenburg horses still look like Oldenburg horses despite the infusion of fresh blood.

I don't expect a QH to jump 4'+, I don't expect a Friesian to be able to work a cow, I don't expect an Arab to sprint a quarter mile, I don't expect a Thoroughbred to plow a field, I don't expect a draft horse to run a mile or more.

I just don't get why people can't respect what a breed was bred to do and not try to make it something it is not by completely destroying the bloodlines and features that made it what it is!

Want to improve a breed? First look within and see if there are some shining individuals, breed those. Still have some major conformation flaws that prevent it from doing what it is supposed to do? Be selective in the crosses that will remedy these and enhance the features that the breed is supposed to have!

*Flails arms about.* Arrrrgggggglllleeee!
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The Rant )

This was posted at Backyardhorse at the beginning of March. Since then my mom has come out a bit and at least loved on her colt a little, but it's still not what he needs, nor what she said she'd do when she purchased him and her mother. I made it VERY plain that I would not work with the colt unless she was there. Her horse, her responsibility.

I know she is more interested in just getting on and riding. She likes to go out on trails and such and doesn't have much interest in working in an arena or roundpen. That's all well and good if you have older horses who are already trained, but a yearling colt can't just sit around and be expected to lead, tie, be trimmed, and stand still for the vet if you never work with it! That said he was good for the Vet when he came out Wednesday (Mom was in CA ... in her defense she's over there taking care of my grandparents). He stood still for the shots (better than Cinnamon did), but trying to lead him was not so easy. He wasn't being bad per-se, but he wasn't leading as he should be at this point.

Mom asked for help teaching Rayo how to load in the trailer for her birthday/Mother's Day. I told her she needed to be there, she said yes. We'll see if it happens.

Not that I'm not willing to help out, but I do have my own horses that need work. Panda needs miles and desensitizing (need to start longeing her), Kitt needs miles (she's coming four), Kash can always use some more training, though he did wonderfully on Wednesday, and I have Cinnamon Strudel to start riding. She has some three rides thusfar, but I haven't ridden her with a bit yet (she's had the bridle on just once) and I need to start ponying her places again so she can see the wider world. I don't plan on working her hard at all, she won't be three until December, but there's nothing wrong with teaching her how to respond to basic cues now, nor getting used to a (light) rider on her back. Did I mention that she's 15.2hh now?

In other news, I had the family again this morning. Last week I ended up just working with the horse, and this week I ended doing it again. The parents noted that the kids have been a bit lethargic in getting up to do the lessons so they've decided to swap places. I'll be teaching the parents riding lessons (and groundwork) the next month or so until the kids decide whether or not they really want to do it and if they miss it. The good news is that both of the parents are rather excited at the prospect of learning. The dad has been terribly enthusiastic and wants to know everything from the ground up. (If only another horse owner I knew were so excited!)

And I should get off my duff and go give Panda a thorough scrubbing (she gets to go see her "man" today ... I should post some pictures of him *drool*).

Neighbors

Feb. 13th, 2008 04:45 am
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I want to beat our neighbors. They're not our direct neighbors, they're North and West of us at the end of the small drive that runs along the Ramos' property.

The last three weeks on Tuesday they've been setting off fireworks. Now fireworks are illegal in Arizona. Have been for a long time because y'know, things burn out here quite easily. I don't really care that they're setting off fireworks, really, but the first week it started around eight o'clock, not bad, but it continued sporatically until 10 o'clock and then stopped. Last week it started a little before 10 o'clock and Chris put a call in at the Sheriff's office. Last night it didn't start until nearly 11 o'clock and went on until midnight or later. Chris finally put in a call around 11.30 and I don't think either of us got any sleep until after midnight. I'm pretty sure Chris got hardly any sleep at all and he had to get up shortly after four to get to work.

It wouldn't be so bad if it were Friday or Saturday night when they did this, evenings where we get to sleep in the next morning. But they are doing this late at night during the work week when people have to get up and drive places and being sleep depribed is not good.

We don't think there are any "adults" living in the house right now. Well, it's a trailer, but I haven't seen anybody there that looks much over twenty for quite a while. It was for sale a couple of months before they took it off the market. The people I have seen seem to be in their late teens or early twenties and, by the sounds of it, don't have a lot of consideration for their neighbors' sleep patterns.

My question is: WHY ON TUESDAY!

I know they're probably just a little younger than I am and I sound like an old lady complaining about it, but I am afraid for my husband's safety driving to work this morning because he got hardly any sleep last night and he doesn't have the luxury of dozing on the bus like I do. Fortunately he doesn't have to go very far to work, but that's not the point. There is a reason that the city (state?) has an ordinance of no excessive noise after 10 o'clock, particularly during the week when people need to get to work and school safely without falling asleep at the wheel.

Nrph ... beat some sort of sense into them. Perhaps the Sheriff came out last night and dragged them off and booked them on disturbing the peace. One can hope.

Sad Ruin

Jan. 18th, 2008 07:21 am
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Last week before school started back up I went and visited Judy, my old employer. I spent three and a half years working for her in exercising, grooming, and training her horses. She is a great, wonderful lady and is like a third grandmother, but she does have some peculiar ideas about horses and drove me a bit nuts from time to time (some of you might remember this). Anyway, I started this little Arab mare, Nicki, under saddle when I first started working with her and spent three years with the mare. It was never quite a perfect connection like I have with Kash, but she was asbolustely awesome. I was intensely proud of how she went. She'd pick up walk-trot-canter immediately when asked without complain and she stopped on a dime with simply "whoa" and was generally just pleasant to be around. Before I left she was able to do the half-pass in the trot and was starting to do it pretty well in the canter. She had what I called a "mare day" every month or so, not wanting to do what was asked, but the sight of a riding crop brought her back into compliance. Her only real fault was that she was a bit of a ninny.

So I dropped by to visit Judy and see how she and the horses were doing. She's started actually riding, which is amazing as I had only seen her ride about a half dozen times while I worked there. She's also going out on trail with them, which is good. I rode Thunder a little, as always he didn't really want to move out. I finally got a canter out of him, the same, slow-as-a-slug lope that western pleasure trainers drool over and I am thoroughly exhasperated by.

I asked Judy if she'd mind if I rode Nick and she said sure. I threw a halter on her and climbed on bareback. This was the mare that I could ride bareback with just a halter without worry, not even needing to loop the line around for a make-shift rein, just working off of the leg and the feel of the rein opening and closing on one side of her neck. When I climbed on her ears pinned a little and she even thought about biting my toe. I furrowed my brow and was a bit concerned.
More on what followed )
I had three years in that horse. Three good years where she went wonderfully, beautifully and it's ruined. Spoiled. I was so proud of her, wonderfully proud. Considering she was the first horse I ever started under saddle she was fantastic, and part of it was her concentration and personality. I hate seeing her so angry. It tears me up.

cross-posted on [livejournal.com profile] backyardhorse.
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There are few topics that get me seriously riled. Horse slaughter happens to be one of them.

I am not one who could be considered "deeply involved" in the horse industry. I own a handful of horses and teach horse lessons to mostly beginners and, at that, none of them own their own horses (yet). I did go through two years of classes and managed to make out with an Associates degree in Equine Science, and I'd like to think I know at least a little bit about horses and somewhat concerning the horse industry at large.

Now the fact that some people happen to like the taste of horse flesh really doesn't bother me. So long as the horses are killed humanely I don't really care about what happens to the body afterwards. What does bother me is people who are in no ways connected to the horse industry and who do not even interact with these animals, nor own any, crying about it being an injustice to the species to allow them to be eaten.

I know that roughly 70,000 horses have gone to slaughter each year (Equus). Now that all three slaughter houses that had processed horses for human consumption are closed do you know where all of those horses will go?

Of course, let us consider how a horse ends up on the auction block and being sold to a "killer buyer." Horses are expensive. They can be somewhat reasonable to maintain, but the cost of euthanasia plus the cost of having someone haul the carcass away is not cheap. If you can't afford to feed your horse anymore, you can't afford to put it down. So why not just sell the horse to someone else who will love and care for it for the rest of its natural days? Unfortunately most people looking to buy a horse are looking for ones that are serviceable. They're looking for horses who will do what they need and preferably have no vices or expensive physical ailments. Some horses have either 1) not been trained or 2) have been trained so poorly or abused in that they have behavioral "issues" that would require either expensive training or an intense amount of time put into them by the person who purchased it (and hopefully knows what he/she was doing).

The way I see it, for a dangerous horse, one who would otherwise end up neglected and starving in someone's backyard, one that a person would "set free" to fend for itself, or one whose age and physical handicaps prevent it from being useful and the owner can not afford to put it down, slaughter is, truthfully, the only sad option that many of them have.

Rescue operations can only take in so much, and even then, they're meant as a halfway house before finding a new home where they can finish their days.

Of course, now with the slaughter houses in the US being closed the horses that would have gone there and received a captive bolt to the head (a fairly humane death as I understand it) are being shipped to Mexico and Canada. Now Canada does have standards for humanely killing animals for food. Mexico, however, is sorely lacking. I've heard of one method being trying to sever the horse's spinal chord via a knife to the back/neck. Not pretty and much less humane than a single shot in the head or even slitting the throat.

I would personally prefer to see the US plants re-open and become more REGULATED (from auction block to the slaughter house specifically) than to have them simply closed down.

I do not believe that the current horse market is capable of absorbing 70,000 horses a year. While there is some good news in that the cost of buying a horse will come down, the cost of maintaining them is only going up. Hay prices are well above $10 a bale right now, and some places are predicting $15 by mid-winter. While prices do go up over the winter time, they usually don't get that high and there used to be some relief during the summer months, perhaps down to $6 a bale, which we did NOT see this year.

I don't know, the whole horse slaughter debate really makes me sick. My horses will most likely have a home for life barring anything devastating happening, but that's only four horses.

I think what really bothers me is that the people that were pushing the most to have the plants closed down are people who are in no way connected to the horse industry. People who aren't even around horses are affecting their fate. People who fail to realize that there ARE excess horses in the United States and instead of finding ways to deal with the problem, they're closing down one of the options that people had to help with it and compounding the problem of starved, neglected horses that no one wants to take care of.

I know I'm not offering any solutions here myself, but perhaps I'll take some time to sit down and postulate a bit. Of course, one thing that could be done would be tightening up registration requirements and, heaven forbid, restricting stud books like so many of the European associations do. Requiring stallions to pass certain tests and exams before they can be bred and allow for their offspring to be registered.

Now what would that do to the American Quarter Horse Association or the American Paint Horse Association which register more than 20,000 new horses each year?
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I was reading through Horse & Rider, a Western magazine, the other day and they were using ground poles to encourage "lift" in Pleasure horses. First of all, I REALLY do not agree with how the "Western" show world has horses move. Necks flat out, or dipped, and feet moving in a sluggish, painful manner. You're moving, but you're not really going anywhere.

Now they were tryign to encourage lift and engagement of these horses' hindquarters, which is well and good, but they kept their horses heads so low you'd think that they'd trip over themselves. Their hind ends were consistantly above their whithers and, certainly, the haunch had lift, but the fore remained rooted. I couldn't help but laugh when the author wrote "Look at that lift!" when a horse was loping and his toes were barely out of the dirt.

I don't know, when I think of Lift, I think of the horse's legs actually leaving the ground and him being on his haunch, not hanging on his forehand.

I can't help but think that the western show world is spoiling good horses. Heaven forbid a horse actually use his neck to balance his body and help him to shift his weight to the hindquarters and ... you know ... CARRY himself.

Sunny still reaches downwards and hangs on the forehand, but not as bad as she used to. I need to work that mare ...

Anyway. I do understand working young horses that you need to start with a long and low frame, allow the horse to stretch and work towards greater collection and self-carriage, but what you see in Western Pleasure classes is not a long-and-low frame. It's like watching an albatross land, you're just waiting for the nose-dive.

It's all downhill from here )

Time to go outside and do stalls and work some horses. I should have been outside a long time ago... sod.

PMU

Apr. 3rd, 2007 09:03 am
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The PMU program, standing for "Pregnant Mare Urine," is a way in which people get horomones for women's horomone replacement therapy. Most often used during Menopause to prevent some of the unpleasant side effects that come with transitioning into the next stage of life. I believe one of the drugs that results from this is called "premerine," but I am not certain.

Kachina was a PMU mare. She was initially from Canada and has a freeze brand on her left hip. If I remember right her number is 109, but I'm not positive. She was approximately 11 years old when we picked her up and she was in Canada until she was 9 or 10, which means that she might have been in the program 5 or 7 years.

Now collecting urine from pregnant mares isn't an easy thing, so they use cathiders and keep the mares in small stalls so they can't move around much. As if being crammed in a stall for some eleven months wasn't enough, we were informed of something else that the program entails.

Apparently they allow the mare to have her first one or two foals, carrying them to full term. Now since they have to have all the mares pregnant all the time, they don't want to have a hundred or more grade foals that they have to try to sell or give away. Thus, they stop the pregnancies at 10 months. The mare carries the foal and is forced to abort it a mere month before the foal would be due.

Absolutely disgusting.

This, we believe, is part of the reason that Kachina needed progesterone to help her carry the foal a little longer. This is also possibly the reason for her bladder infection when she was around eight months along as she was used to the cathider during previous pregnancies so as things became more compacted, it was harder for her to properly pass urine.

Not only has her time in the program caused her physical issues (though we can't directly link it), we believe that it's also part of the reason for her unsure, untrusting nature. She is better than she was, but still has a long, long way to go.

I don't think the benefit that humans recieve, outweighs what people put these horses through to get the horomones. Of course, now they find that artificual horomones aren't exactly good for women in the long run.

I could rant and gnash about how horrible the whole thing is, but I think the simple notations are enough.

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